Episode Description
What if the key to transforming your entire district culture came down to one simple leadership principle? In this episode, we sit down with Superintendent Chris Miesner from Sparta Community Unit School District 140 to uncover the game-changing approach that turned skeptical staff into passionate advocates for their students—and revealed what true buy-in actually looks like.
About Our Guest
Chris Miesner serves as Superintendent of Sparta Community Unit School District 140, where he has led transformational initiatives focused on instructional excellence, equitable support systems, and building a cohesive district identity. His leadership philosophy centers on empowering building principals and teachers to do their best work for students.
What You’ll Learn
Discover how authentic leadership empowerment can cascade through your entire organization—from the superintendent’s office to classroom teachers to students and families. Chris shares the specific mindset shift that unlocked unprecedented teacher engagement, how to unify diverse school communities with different resources and backgrounds, and the concrete strategies (like a phonics curriculum overhaul) that turned reading improvement from a goal into a reality.
Key Takeaways
✓ The power of ownership: When leaders communicate “It’s your building. I’m here to support you,” magic happens—and your teachers become your strongest advocates
✓ Create unified purpose: Transform mission statements from wall posters to lived values that drive every decision and interaction with students
✓ Build resilience through support systems: Students with comprehensive support at school and home achieve remarkable academic and personal growth
✓ Instructional investments pay dividends: Implementing evidence-based practices like structured phonics can dramatically shift student outcomes in just three years
✓ Leadership visibility matters: When teachers see their superintendent celebrating student growth and standing beside families, the entire culture shifts
What Stands Out
“Our mission statement is every student counts, every moment matters. My message to our staff is it can’t just be words on paper. Every kid we see every single day, even if you don’t have kids at home, you need to treat it like it’s your own kid at home.”
“I saw teachers talking to kids that weren’t even in their class about how it’s gonna be okay. We’re gonna get this all figured out. It’s just really cool to see everybody buy in and for the same reason.”
“This year with our phonics curriculum we had kids graduate out of phonics and now they’re reading to learn instead of learning to read.”
Ready to transform your leadership approach and unlock genuine teacher buy-in? Listen now to hear the full conversation with Chris Miesner, and subscribe so you never miss insights from education leaders who are making real change in their communities.
FULL PODCAST Transcript
Lighthouse Therapy (00:01.115)
Hello everybody and welcome to the brighter together podcast. My name is Janet Courtney and my special guest today is Chris Miesner. Chris is the superintendent at Sparta community unit school district 140 in Sparta, Illinois. Chris, thank you for being on the show today.
Chris Miesner (00:17.55)
Thank you for having me.
Lighthouse Therapy (00:19.375)
So Chris, tell our listeners a little bit about you and a little bit about Sparta Community Schools.
Chris Miesner (00:25.196)
Yeah, so I, as you said, my name is Chris Miesner. I’ve been in education now for 18 years. I started out as a junior high math and science teacher in Redbud, Illinois, a town about 20 minutes from here. I’ve been in Sparta now for eight. And in Sparta, I started out as a principal at two of our elementary schools, and then I became superintendent three years ago.
Lighthouse Therapy (00:41.648)
Awesome.
Lighthouse Therapy (00:50.171)
Fantastic.
Chris Miesner (00:50.286)
And if you would have asked me 18 years ago if I would thought I would have been a superintendent, the answer would have been no. I thought I was gonna teach and coach my entire career. But I’m very blessed with where we’re at and I’ve got a strong community and a strong school board. So I’m very thankful to be sitting in this seat.
Lighthouse Therapy (01:06.649)
It’s so interesting because I have heard that so many times from superintendents. It’s like, you know, I just thought I was going to be an educator and that was what I was going to do. And then, you know, you just realized that you can make a bigger impact. And like me, I thought I was going to be an SLP for the rest of my life. I still am, but I don’t, you know, we never stopped being what a teacher and educate educator, but boy, that’s so true. And it’s just, and the fact that you’ve been, you’ve got eight years there. That’s amazing. So they’re lucky to have you, I’m sure.
Chris Miesner (01:36.766)
I’m lucky to have them too.
Lighthouse Therapy (01:38.551)
Awesome. So tell us a little bit about Sparta.
Chris Miesner (01:41.582)
So Sparta is a pre-K to 12th grade district made up of three buildings. We’re just, I’d say an hour south from St. Louis, Missouri. We have 1,100 students total. Two very different elementary schools. One that’s 15 and a half miles from me and it’s a pre or a K through eighth grade building and 105 students. So it’s a very small rural elementary school that feeds into our high school and then
Sparta Lincoln School is where the district office is located and it’s a pre-k to eighth grade building and they have close to 765 students in it. So very different sizes and they both feed into Sparta High School which is across the parking lot from my office.
Lighthouse Therapy (02:23.089)
Yeah.
Lighthouse Therapy (02:27.033)
And how many kids do you have in high school?
Chris Miesner (02:28.49)
At the high school they have just around 300.
Lighthouse Therapy (02:32.699)
So do you find it hard for the little ones that are coming up from the smaller district to kind of acclimate into a bigger district or do you guys prepare them for that?
Chris Miesner (02:42.742)
We try to. mean, anything that we can think of as far as unifying the two elementary schools has always been a goal of mine. But that building being much smaller, it has differences and similarities. We try to keep our curriculums the same. We try to teach them the same scope and sequence. But yeah, it’s a different feeling. It’s a different experience for sure.
Lighthouse Therapy (02:58.608)
Mm-hmm.
Lighthouse Therapy (03:06.545)
Yeah, yeah. You know, when you’re growing up in it, you don’t realize, I grew up in Grand Island, Nebraska, and there were, don’t remember how many elementary schools, but then we went from the elementary back then for us, and I don’t know, maybe they still do it. No, I know they don’t do it the same way, was K-6. And then seventh, eighth, and ninth grade was the middle school. Now we’re talking 40, 41 years ago, I think now. I graduated in 85, so yeah, 41 years ago.
And then, and then from the two middle schools, then we came together in the one high school and you know, so we were always rivals in the middle school. And then you get up to the high school and you know, they did a really good job of blending us together. Plus they took, we had brown and gold and we had orange and purple. So then it was purple and gold at the high school. So everybody got a piece of it to come with them. So super fun.
Chris Miesner (03:54.327)
Mm-hmm.
Chris Miesner (04:00.558)
Yeah, and we’re bulldogs at the high school. So we always say once a bulldog, always a bulldog. But the two elementary schools are two different mascots. So that’s part of the unifying too. Like when they get promoted from eighth grade to the high school, we tell them in the promotion ceremony, like you are now a bulldog. And then in high school, they say that phrase that I said earlier, once a bulldog, always a bulldog.
Lighthouse Therapy (04:22.275)
Mm-hmm, yep, yep, very cool, very good.
Chris Miesner (04:24.984)
But yeah, I’ve seen different, even in this area, there’s different structures. You have early elementary buildings, have intermediate buildings, you have junior high buildings, but in our district, it’s always been a, we did used to have more attendance centers way back 20 years ago, but it’s just the three now.
Lighthouse Therapy (04:45.891)
Yeah, yeah. So what are some of the things that would make Sparta stand out or shine? I want to give you an opportunity to brag on your district.
Chris Miesner (04:56.44)
Well, so many things. mean, we’ve academically since, well, it helped when I came into this role that I was a principal at two of the schools. So I came in knowing a better idea how I can help faster. So we really tackled our school improvement process, our MTSS process, which multi-tiered systems of supports. And in doing that, have
Lighthouse Therapy (05:05.989)
Mm-hmm.
Chris Miesner (05:23.434)
implemented a phonics curriculum for early elementary kids that in three years time we’ve seen our numbers of third grade students who didn’t know how to read. That number has significantly improved. And in fact this year with our phonics curriculum we had kids I’m going to say graduated out of phonics and now they’re instead of learning to read they’re reading to learn. so that’s a huge accomplishment. We all
hang our hat on that and we brag about it as much as we can. In addition to that, we did a hard look at our math instruction. We started out with K-8 and we implemented a new math curriculum last school year. Already seeing gains, we thought we would have an implementation dip in the state scores, but our state scores at Sparta-Lincoln, especially, we were one of two schools in our ROE, our regional office area that
Lighthouse Therapy (06:08.543)
yeah.
Chris Miesner (06:19.276)
that showed growth on the state assessment. So huge, huge progress for us there. Outside of that, like I said earlier, school improvement process has been a huge step for our district. We’ve implemented, before it was like something we talked about, but we didn’t really live by it. Now we’re, we have a strategic plan, a mission and vision that we live in stand behind. And that’s pushing us forward, I feel with
Lighthouse Therapy (06:22.416)
Yeah.
Chris Miesner (06:49.038)
where we’re going with our academics and then outside of academics, our extracurriculars have blossomed tremendously. They always say like if your high school sports are excelling, that just makes everything else. The community buys in and there’s a lot of excitement and that’s what we’re living in right now. Our basketball team just finished 30 and five. Unfortunately, they didn’t make it to the state tournament like we wanted to, but they were.
Lighthouse Therapy (07:12.904)
nice. Yeah.
Chris Miesner (07:16.904)
extremely fun to watch. then our spring sports have kicked off. They’re both doing baseball, softball, and track. They’re all doing really well. So it’s just really exciting. And I could talk about junior high sports alike. We’ve seen a lot of success and the community’s buying in. So that excitement is really fun to watch.
Lighthouse Therapy (07:18.735)
Yeah.
Lighthouse Therapy (07:36.025)
Yeah, yeah. You said you were a coach. What did you coach?
Chris Miesner (07:39.924)
I coached junior high basketball and baseball and softball.
Lighthouse Therapy (07:45.446)
Nice, very nice. Yeah, it’s a fun age. They’re an interesting bunch because they’re like, they wanna be grownups, but they don’t wanna be grownups and their bodies are awkward, but they’re kind of figuring it out. I love that age. I love that age.
Chris Miesner (07:58.798)
Well, and I always tell people like I had them in sixth grade, but then I coach them all the way up to eighth grade. You get them in sixth grade and by the time they’re eighth graders, they think they have life figured out, but they don’t. But they, they blossom so much in that three year span. But then it’s really cool when they go to high school and come back and want to talk to you when they same as being a principal. Like I would see them from kindergarten. My first group of kindergartners are now eighth graders this year.
Lighthouse Therapy (08:05.096)
okay.
Lighthouse Therapy (08:10.31)
Yeah.
Lighthouse Therapy (08:14.086)
Yeah.
Lighthouse Therapy (08:20.603)
Mm-hmm.
Lighthouse Therapy (08:28.593)
Yeah.
Chris Miesner (08:28.62)
So I’ve seen two groups of kids at both schools just blossom into young adults and it’s really cool to see that.
Lighthouse Therapy (08:36.625)
So what would you say are some of your challenges this year?
Chris Miesner (08:42.648)
Challenges are always finances. mean, our district fits really well. We’re doing good, but we also want to be good stewards of the taxpayers’ money. But I’m always looking for grants and opportunities to partner with agencies that help with some of the finances. The state of Illinois does a good job with, they use evidence-based funding model, which helps to spread the finances equally or equitably, I should say.
Lighthouse Therapy (08:46.863)
Yeah.
Lighthouse Therapy (08:54.267)
Mm-hmm.
Chris Miesner (09:12.312)
But it’s always a struggle. You always want to make sure that when you’re proposing something to the school board, it makes sense for the community, but it also makes sense for what’s best for our kids. That’s definitely a challenge. That unifying the two elementary schools is always a challenge because it’s very different backgrounds. It’s very different scenarios, but the kids become our high school students. So we have to make sure that we’re teaching them
Lighthouse Therapy (09:22.897)
Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah.
Lighthouse Therapy (09:38.395)
Yeah.
Chris Miesner (09:42.624)
Not identical, but similar. If we have a second grader at Sparta Lincoln and a second grader at Evansville, we need to know that they’re being taught the same because if one of them, I didn’t mention this earlier, but our kids are allowed to attend either elementary school no matter where they live in the Sparta school district. So we have students that live on the far opposite side of our district that chose to go to Evansville Attendance Center and we bus them there. We do allow that.
Lighthouse Therapy (09:44.667)
Mm-hmm.
Lighthouse Therapy (09:58.002)
Okay.
Lighthouse Therapy (10:07.051)
you do bust them. I was like, wow, that’s that was one thing we chose for our kids. had we had school of choice and district school of choice in Michigan when we were raising our kids. And my kids all ended up having friends at Leslie High School and Leslie, Michigan. We lived in Pleasant Lake, which is actually Northwest School District, which is a bigger district. And it’s a good district. But my kids had I homeschooled them for part of the time.
And then they were going into high school and I was like, I like the feel. I liked it was a little bit smaller. you know, there was more opportunity for them to do sports because it was, it wasn’t a, they were in a, I don’t know how the, the, they go, but you know, a different class, you know, rating or whatever. I’m sorry. I’m not, I’m not this, you, you know what I mean? So, and my, and my son ended up having the most incredible wrestling coach.
Chris Miesner (10:54.19)
No, I know what you mean.
Lighthouse Therapy (11:02.497)
And cause he actually wanted to be a football player and he played football. then the football, the coach was an assistant football coach, but he was the head of the wrestling team. And he said, Hey, Nathaniel come over and do try wrestling. And he loved it. He lost every single match his first year. And the next year when he won, this makes me teary, you know, it’s just like seeing your kids be successful when they, when they love something and knowing, and the first time.
The first time he won, he pinned the kid and he’d even really won. And I just cried. was such a, cause I went to all of his matches. Cause he was, you know, it was just like, support your kids. You want your kids to be successful and you want them to, and he, he fought and fought and fought every year. He didn’t know what he was doing. He wasn’t one of those kids that like had grown up wrestling. So he learned it all and made him a better, better kid, better person. Um, sports, you know, all of my kids were in one sport or another, you know, none of them are,
superstar athletes, but it’s so important that they have that opportunity, you know, so he did. He absolutely did. Yeah, he did.
Chris Miesner (12:01.102)
But it sounds like he failed forward. He didn’t win it first, but he kept at it. And that passion that you talked about in that story is how I feel about Sparta. get another challenge that I thought of was it just aggravates me to no end when our community and our school gets a bad rep from something that happened 30 years ago. And unfortunately…
Lighthouse Therapy (12:13.551)
Yeah.
Lighthouse Therapy (12:23.616)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Chris Miesner (12:26.814)
Certain people in our area feel that they think Sparta is one way. And I’ve told every one of our kids, I’ve stood up at assemblies. I’ve, I’ll tell anybody that calls me, like it makes me angry when you talk bad about our kids and you don’t even know them. so when I, in fact, I get emotional too, like you were just doing about your son. Like I view our school district, like you viewed your son’s success and my own children’s success. It’s.
Lighthouse Therapy (12:43.451)
Right.
Chris Miesner (12:55.342)
And I’m enriched with having staff here that feel the same way, that we want the absolute best for our kids and the community. And it’s just a, it’s a pretty cool experience that I’m living in. You always hear about it, but you read about it in a magazine article or a newspaper article, but you don’t get to live it. I’m getting to live it right now.
Lighthouse Therapy (13:14.821)
Yeah. And that’s what brighter together is about too. You know, it’s like too many times in the media, all schools, you know, it’s like, we’re going to put all schools in one bucket because one teacher did one horrible thing and it’s sensational. And so we’re going to apply it to every single school in the nation. And it’s like, that is not what’s happening in education. And that’s why we do this, right? We give you guys an opportunity.
to talk about your schools and to talk about the wins and to talk about the love that you have for your students and your teachers and your classrooms. And so tell me a little bit about like, what is your leadership philosophy? How do you, it sounds like you have an amazing team. I would love for someone to hear about how you foster that for your team.
Chris Miesner (14:01.518)
So what I try to do is I’m part of the team. My first year here, was like everybody that talked to me, like, well, you’re the superintendent. Like you make the decisions and we just do it. I know, I believe in, I want to hear what you guys think. And if it makes sense to me, let’s try it. So I spent my whole first year teaching my principals. It’s your building. I’m here to support you. And if I’m supporting you effectively, you’re going to support your teachers effectively and they’re going to be able to help their kids.
Lighthouse Therapy (14:18.225)
Mm-hmm.
Chris Miesner (14:31.296)
I’ve never gone away from that model. Now are there times that I have to go in and make tough calls or if there’s a debate going on and I have to make be the draw or the break the draw. Yeah, I’ve had to do that. But for most of the time, I want our people to live their personality and live out their passion to be servant leaders. And I don’t need to get in their way. thankfully the school board that I have
Lighthouse Therapy (14:41.409)
The mediator, yep, yep.
Lighthouse Therapy (14:55.995)
Mm-hmm.
Chris Miesner (15:01.006)
follows that same suit. They understand that they hired me. I brought recommendations for them to hire the principals and so on and so forth. they, now do they have questions? Absolutely, and I want them to. I want them to have questions and be as transparent and open to understanding what’s happening in our district as possible. they know they hired me. I bring recommendations and then they either agree with the motion or don’t. That’s part of their job as a board member.
Lighthouse Therapy (15:14.545)
Mm-hmm.
Lighthouse Therapy (15:26.992)
Mm-hmm.
Chris Miesner (15:29.726)
Overall, my philosophy is to support and be a servant leader the best I can, but I don’t need to be a micromanager by any means.
Lighthouse Therapy (15:37.574)
Yeah, that doesn’t get you anywhere. You don’t, you don’t. And you end up running yourself ragged and then you lose these beautiful minds that you have that you’ve instituted into these positions if you don’t listen to them, right? It’s just, so that’s awesome. So here’s a question I sometimes ask. I used to ask it all the time and I don’t always anymore, but I wanna ask you, cause I know you’re gonna have a great answer. So if you could, and we can’t talk about money because everybody knows.
Chris Miesner (15:39.693)
No.
Lighthouse Therapy (16:06.179)
schools are underfunded and there is not enough. And superintendents do, you guys have one of the hardest jobs, I swear, just figuring out money and managing it and being able to keep a balanced budget. Holy moly, I don’t know how you do it. We were talking about taxes just before we started. I signed my taxes today. was like, that’s like, and I’m good with numbers. I really am, but taxes drive me crazy. But anyway, I digress. If you could, if you could just,
One thing, if you could pick one thing in your world as a superintendent that is just a thorn in your side or something that you see that needs to change and you could fix it and never have to worry about it again, what would that one thing be?
Chris Miesner (16:54.422)
and you took finances off the table.
Lighthouse Therapy (16:55.971)
I did. Yeah. Because we all, everybody would say finances if we could take, if we could, if we could all fix it, that would be everybody’s because it is absolutely an issue.
Chris Miesner (17:09.176)
Well, you said thorn in my side and I don’t, the things I keep running through my mind, they’re not thorns in my side, but there are challenges and concerns that we.
Lighthouse Therapy (17:15.995)
Well, it doesn’t have to be. It doesn’t have to be. Yeah. Just a challenge. What was the first thing besides finances that came into your mind when I asked that question?
Chris Miesner (17:25.422)
Support.
Lighthouse Therapy (17:27.493)
Okay, how?
Chris Miesner (17:29.418)
And it’s more like it’s all encompassing. you have, let’s start with families. So we want to support families the best we can with as many resources as we have. But we also want them to support us and some families do, some families don’t. Opinions vary. But I don’t want to make it sound like I’m bashing our community because I’m not. then support would
Lighthouse Therapy (17:32.486)
Okay.
Mm-hmm.
Lighthouse Therapy (17:47.057)
Right?
Lighthouse Therapy (17:53.391)
No, I don’t, and I don’t think that you are.
Chris Miesner (17:58.494)
I know there’s a lot of research out there that if you have a support system around a kid, whether no matter what they’ve gone through in life, they’re going to be resilient and able to do amazing things academically and in their future. So when I’m thinking of support in that realm, it’s every kid having the same level of support at school and at home. After that, I’d say like just support from
Lighthouse Therapy (18:13.969)
Mm-hmm.
Lighthouse Therapy (18:20.753)
Nice, yeah, that’s a good one.
Chris Miesner (18:28.512)
Our local government support from our federal government support from even in our Illinois does regional offices of education. So support from them, which which we have. But just as you can’t have enough support and like I just mentioned, like I just mentioned for our our principals and our teachers like I try my best to support them. I might not always agree with them, but I try my best to support them because if I know they’re supported.
Lighthouse Therapy (18:31.365)
Mm-hmm.
Lighthouse Therapy (18:43.365)
Right, that’s a great answer.
Lighthouse Therapy (18:53.329)
Mm-hmm.
Chris Miesner (18:56.952)
then they can support our kids. And that’s why we’re here. I mean, it’s…
Lighthouse Therapy (18:58.769)
All right.
Yeah, that’s the bottom line, right? We’re here to support the kids to teach the kids to help the kids to be successful. And that’s your job. And that’s it’s and it doesn’t even sound like it’s a job. It sounds like it’s a mission for you, which is fantastic. Because you do you put the kids in front of everything. That’s what we do here. It’s funny because, you know, when we talk about success at lighthouse, we don’t talk about how much money is in the bank, we don’t talk about how many how many contracts we have or or
how many sessions we’ve provided. We talk about students, how many students have we served this year? And I am so proud to say it’s over 3,700 now. And when I started eight years ago, I was me as the SLP and we had one OT and at the end of the year, we hired a school psychologist to do an assessment for us and we have 48 kids eight years ago.
This is our, this is our eighth year. We’ll be eight years old in, July, but it’s just, it’s just been a beautiful ride, you know, just supporting kids and helping schools to meet needs. and again, same thing as you, you know, it’s like, put really amazing people around you and you support them. And there are definitely times where you have to make those tough choices, but, but you love on the kids and it’s all about the kids. So I love that.
Chris Miesner (20:18.05)
Yeah. Our mission statement is every student counts, every moment matters. And again, trying to hold back the emotion, it’s words on paper to some people, but my message to our staff is it can’t just be words on paper. Like every kid we see every single day, even if you don’t have kids at home, you need to treat it like it’s your own kid at home.
Lighthouse Therapy (20:23.665)
Awesome.
Chris Miesner (20:43.854)
And I see it every day. I I mentioned that to you before we got on here about the situation we dealt with today. I saw teachers talking to kids that weren’t even in their class about how it’s gonna be okay. Like we’re gonna get this all figured out. We’ll find a safe place to go continue learning. And it’s just really cool to see everybody buy in and for the same reason.
Lighthouse Therapy (21:04.827)
Can we tell them what happened? Because they’re gonna ask me if we don’t tell them.
Chris Miesner (21:07.302)
yep. Sorry. We had a water leak in our second and third grade hallway and everybody’s fine. Everybody’s safe, but we had a little hiccup with our school day and I was telling before we got on, like, that’s not what I thought I would deal with when I went to work this morning, but it happened and thankfully everybody’s safe and everybody has running water, so we’re good.
Lighthouse Therapy (21:14.395)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Lighthouse Therapy (21:22.319)
Yeah, it’s okay. Yeah.
Yeah, building buildings have to be maintained, don’t they? And sometimes they tell you when when you miss something or when something gets older, you know, we were just we were just fixing our dryer the other day and it was like, my goodness. So but yeah, it’s just a part of life. Buildings, especially if how many buildings do you guys don’t have? 123.
Chris Miesner (21:48.238)
Well, so this building, Sparta Lincoln is, well, actually all of our buildings are older buildings, but we’ve just kept adding on to them at different phases. So this actually, the part of the building today is the oldest part and the pipe just broke in half. And thankfully it was, it was in a restroom where it was coming out of the wall so we could cap the pipe and isolate the leak in that one space.
Lighthouse Therapy (21:56.241)
Okay.
Chris Miesner (22:16.216)
But initially they turned the water up to the whole building. So my principal was freaking out that we would need to dismiss early and we made it. We were able to get the water back on bathrooms and running water and was all good. And they’re all.
Lighthouse Therapy (22:28.923)
But what a great experience for the kids to realize too, that it’s okay. We have a problem, but you have good people and adults around you who understand it and can help and school will go back to school. And what a story we have to tell now for that day, right? Very cool.
Chris Miesner (22:44.962)
Yeah. Those are things that kids won’t ever forget. Remember that time we had to eat lunch somewhere else because they moved us out of our classroom? Yeah.
Lighthouse Therapy (22:50.619)
Right.
Lighthouse Therapy (22:54.905)
Yeah, yeah, those are the fun, those are fun times. Fun, fun times. Yeah. Okay. Well, tell us where people would go, Chris, if they want to learn a little bit more about Spartan Community Unit School District 140.
Chris Miesner (23:09.734)
Our website’s a great place. We’ve tried to enhance that. Sparta140.org. I hope I said that correctly. Yeah, Sparta140.org. We’re also on Facebook channels. I’m not on there, but my secretary runs our Facebook. Yeah, that’s probably the best place to see what’s going on in Sparta.
Lighthouse Therapy (23:21.03)
Got it.
Lighthouse Therapy (23:27.888)
Awesome.
Lighthouse Therapy (23:35.565)
Awesome, awesome. Well, it has been a pleasure, Chris, to have you on the show. Thank you for your time and go Bulldogs.
Chris Miesner (23:44.13)
Yes, ma’am. Thank you.
Lighthouse Therapy (23:48.754)
There we go.
